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Determining The Level Of Intentionality Needed In An Interim Pastor

Brian's note: Dr. Ken Moberg designed this grid to help church leaders determine the type of interim pastor their church needs.  A "high level of intentionality" is another way of saying, a transitional or transformational (or interventionist) interim pastor, as opposed to a traditional or "maintenance model" interim pastor (or none at all). 

 

Category	1	2	3	4	5
Relationship between Pastor and Leadership Board	Harmony and mutual support	Normal give-and-take	Characterized by tension; attempts at reconciliation	Tension without reconciliation	Open accusation
Departure of Pastor	Pastor retired out of this ministry	Pastor was called to another ministry	Pastor left without having another ministry	Pastor was asked to leave	Pastor was dismissed for cause
Length and Character of Pastor’s Tenure	6-12 years, well regarded by most	4 to 8 years, well regarded by most	4 to 8 years, mixed reviews	More than 8 years and well regarded, or less than 4 years and not well regarded	More than 12 years and highly esteemed, or less than 2 years not well regarded
Location of Former Pastor	More than 100 miles away	More than 25 miles away	Still in community, looking to move	Still in community, no plans to move	Still in the church, or planting another church in same community
Cohesiveness of Church	No families expected to leave	Less than 10% of families likely to leave	10% of families likely to leave	25% of families likely to leave	More than 50% of families likely to leave
Maturity of Leadership	Leaders mature, trained, rotational turnover	Some maturity, no training, some unplanned turnover	No training, some unplanned turnover	No training, high unplanned turnover	Elected leaders have resigned due to conflict
Nature of Leadership	Healthy turnover of leadership; former leaders become good followers	Elected and non-elected leaders aligned	Same people always elected	Elected leaders are tentative, afraid to lead	Non-elected leadership in charge
Leadership Meetings	Prayer and vision dominate agenda	Short-range goals dominate agenda	Business dominates agenda	Problems and discipline dominate agenda	Survival dominates agenda
Clarity of Vision	Vision documents are clear and agreed upon	Documents present but people can’t articulate vision	Documents present but little agreement	Old documents, vision not agreed upon	No vision documents; evidence of agenda conflict
Congregational Meetings	Congregational meetings are helpful, prayerful, worshipful	Congregational meetings are mostly business	Congregational meetings are generally considered irrelevant	Congregational meetings show tension that nobody addresses	Congregational meetings show open hostility
Growth History	Growing annually by 15% or more over the past five years	Growing annually by 10-15% over the past five years	Growing by 1-10% over the past five years	Stagnant over the past five years	Declining over the past five years
Effective Evangelism	10% conversion growth rate sustained for past five years	Conversion growth rate between 5 and 10% for past five years	Conversion growth rate under 5% for past five years	Occasional stories of conversion over past five years	No evangelistic growth over past five years
Life Cycle of a Church (Bullard)	Vision dominates; relationships and programs healthy VRPm	Programs and relationships dominate, vision okay vRPm	Programs dominate, little vision vrPm	Management dominates, relationships strained vrpM	Vision, relationships, programs, management weak vrpm
Totals

Circle the box for each category that best describes your church situation.  Then add up the points down the columns and determine a total score.  Add up the scores of all the columns for a grand total.  The higher the grand total, the greater the need you will have for an intentional interim pastor.

Used by permission of Dr Ken Moberg

When Church Members Leave

For many of us, the very mention of the subject of church members leaving knots up our stomachs faster than a phone call from the IRS. Painful memories flood my mind as I sit down to write - and I thought I’d gotten “good at” letting people go. Not that we really want to get used to losing people, but most of us would like for it to be less painful for ourselves and we’d also like to see our departed ones have a quick turnaround time: to get fully engaged quickly in a new church without cynicism or bitterness.

Why is this so hard for us?

Church Secretary Occupational Hazards

1. Church secretaries need to be carefully protected (mostly by the Senior Pastor, but others can help) from “secretary abuse,” such as:

• Expecting the secretary to do too much. Secretaries are frequently servants in their spiritual giftedness (Romans 12:7). Servants gladly take on more and more because they are so motivated to help. Wise bosses watch secretaries carefully to help them to say “no, I can’t do anymore” when they need to say it.

• People expecting the secretary to be on the job on Sunday morning (or any other time she’s in the building)

• People calling her at home - She is an hourly, not a salaried employee

• People who are not her “boss” acting as if they are (walking in and giving her work, etc.). The secretary has one supervisor, the Senior Pastor. Those approaching the secretary with work requests can be told by the secretary, “Pastor _______ wants me to refer requests for my time to him, so please wait here while I go and ask him about this.”

• Pastors telling them too much about church problems or problematic people and so weighing them down with troubles they are not given God’s grace to handle. (I’m sure I’ve been guilty of this.) Some secretaries grow into wonderful counseling partners for the pastor – particularly when he has to speak to other ladies alone. But be careful! This can lead to a good relationship becoming too close. (For the same reason, I avoid praying with church secretaries/administrative assistants one-on-one. Praying together really draws people together!) In some cases the pastor’s wife is a more appropriate partner for counseling females. Other secretaries are simply not gifted by God for this ministry and will be discouraged by trying to perform it. Of the many secretaries and administrative assistants I’ve had the joy of working with, only one became an occasional counseling partner.

2. Church secretaries frequently “morph” into telephone counselors, which can be wonderful but can also become too much of a good thing.

• Protecting the pastor from having to hear about minor problems that the secretary can help with is a wonderful ministry. See Acts 6

• Providing a listening ear is great; many secretaries save their pastors hundreds of hours by just listening to and praying with the troubled people who call or stop in.

• But some people need to learn how to open their Bibles and get down on their knees and find the answers to their problems. If the church attendee is now leaning on the secretary too much (instead of leaning on the pastor too much) somebody, (more than likely the pastor) needs to teach this dear brother or sister how to find some answers on his/her own.

• No one needs a counselor who becomes an enabler, whether or not the enabler is a co-dependent person or a healthy and well-meaning but mistaken person.

3. Church secretaries can tell people too much, they can hear too much, they can pass things along that shouldn’t be passed along - See I Timothy 3:11

• Some people go on "fishing expeditions" when talking with the secretary.

• A secretary must be able to keep confidences, even from the spouse who is a board member!

• The secretary needs to get very good at saying, “Whoa, wait a minute, you need to talk to so and so about that,” the phrase I teach churches (with hand motions) to stop gossip.

4. Church secretaries, like young pastors, can develop a habit of well-intended meddling: volunteering to solve problems for people which they ought to be solving themselves (Proverbs 26:17 & I Peter 4:15). Teaching people to handle their problems God’s way is part of the ministry description of every mature Christian.

5. Church secretaries frequently “morph” into administrators. Most often, they need some training in administration to avoid the pitfalls inherent in management. Their authority as administrators needs to come from the pastor (or whoever conveys authority in your church) and be clearly communicated to the church before the secretary begins acting in that capacity. In one of my interim pastorates, a staff member had morphed into a capable but overzealous, micro-managing administrator. Many in the church, besides being offended by her management style, did not feel that she had received her authority legitimately.

6. Church secretaries need to communicate to their families that phone calls to “mom” are limited. “Mom” is not helping her church or her children if she spends long periods of time counseling her family. Family member “visits” also need to be limited.

7. Church secretaries need to be zealous protectors of the pastor’s time. The Sr. Pastor needs to convey clearly how he wants the secretary/receptionist(s) how to handle:

• Walk in salesmen – “If you want to leave some literature regarding your _____ I’ll show it to Pastor So and So” or – at the secretary’s discretion – “If you’d like to show me your product that’s fine but Pastor So and So is not available for product demonstrations.”

• Phone salespersons – “Our church doesn’t purchase anything as the result of a phone solicitations. If you’d like to send some literature for your ______ I’ll pass it on to Pastor So and So”

• Walk in “counselees” – “Pastor So and So can’t see you right now, but he’d be happy to make an appointment with you.” (I always tell secretaries that my exception to the “walk-in counselee” policy is when someone’s life is in danger, i.e., if the person appears homicidal or suicidal.)

• Phone calls for the Pastor. Simply asking “Can I ask what this is in reference to?” or “Can I ask why you’re calling?” can protect the pastor from many calls from those who want, but don’t need, to talk to him.

8. Church secretaries/receptionists/administrative assistants need to be carefully protected from the complications that result from multiple relationships.

• In many cases, the employee’s spouse is also a church attendee and sometimes a leader. Spouses must sometimes be asked by the Pastor to not interfere in the employee/employer relationship but to encourage the employee to handle his/her problems in normal (but mature Christian!) ways.

• In many cases, handling these situations takes grace and tact and the guidance of God. In one ministry the administrative assistant was (1) my employee (2) an elder’s wife (3) my friend (4) my wife’s friend (5) a church volunteer in several capacities (6) the mother of a girl who was my son’s age (7) my son’s teacher (8) the mother of kids in classes I was teaching. This gets complicated. Fortunately, God can and will help us make these situations work!

Our secretaries are precious people (not quite an endangered species yet, but precious people). Let's help them to serve God (their real boss) joyfully and productively.

Biblical Principles Related To Conflict and Unity

1. The glory of God is of paramount importance. It’s what the church is for. We have been left here as the body of Christ to make God look good, to improve His reputation, to “do Him proud.” There is something very wrong with us if winning, or if defending our own “name” is more important than God’s Name (Ephesians 1:6, 12, 14).

2. Love and unity are to be the prominent “marks” of the church, not “rightness” (Matthew 5:23-26, John 13:34,35, John 17:20-23, Ephesians 4:3). Making the church a “stench” in the community is to be avoided almost at all costs (without betraying the gospel or the “fundamentals of the faith”). Unity is so vital that it must be pursued with zeal and haste. Problems left to themselves seldom go away; they usually worsen.

3. Loving, respecting, being patient with, seeking to live at peace with, all persons involved, are Biblical requirements (John 13:34,35, Romans 12:9,10,16,18, I Thessalonians 5:14).

4. Humility, meekness and “sweet-reasonableness” (Galatians 5:22,23; Philippians 2:3,4, 4:5) are always expected of all of us. There is no place for “turf wars.” There is no room in any church, however large, for anybody’s ego. There is no time when it is appropriate to talk about “my church.” The church belongs to Jesus (Matthew 16:18). If the church you are a part of is now “your church” then you must have stolen it from Jesus!

5. The Bible teaches what I call “no excuses Christianity,” “no excuses counseling” and “no excuses pastoring.” Being in Christ, with the persons we used to be crucified with Christ, with the Holy Spirit within us – and willing to control us – we can do what Scripture says. We can be what we have been called to be. The commands of the New Testament are all promises (Romans 6:7,7, 8:9; Galatians 2:20, 5:22,23). We do not have to have churches full of gossip and conflict. Our churches do not need to be never-ending soap operas – though some people would like to star in them.

6. Closely related to the above, we are each 100% responsible for our own actions. Pastor So and So’s carnal actions are no excuse for my carnal reactions. We will stand before the judgment (reward! Thank God!) seat of Christ, one at a time. Our excuses will look ridiculous on that day (I Corinthians 3:10-4:5).

7. Closely related to the above, we must fight spiritual battles with spiritual weapons (such as prayer and speaking the truth in love, as in Ephesians 4:15). We do not chase out a pastor or church member we don’t like by behaving badly. (This really is done.) God has given significant spiritual authority to churches and their leaders to judge justly, oppose sin and resolve disputes (Matthew 18:15-20; I Corinthians 5 & 6; II Corinthians 10:1-6). However resistant modern Americans (including evangelicals) are to submission to God-ordained authority and spiritual leaders “telling them what to do,” church leaders must nevertheless, calmly but firmly exercise their God-given authority for the health and purity of the Church of Jesus Christ. No team of church leaders should put up with gossips, power-plays, petitions (written or unwritten). People who cannot follow their duly elected leaders gladly should be asked to find another church. In the words of former Evangelical Free Church District Superintendent, Gus Bess, “It’s not a sin to change churches; it’s a sin to stay in your church with a bad attitude.”

8. Gossip is a serious sin. It is an attack upon our brother and an attack upon God, as our brother bears the image of God (James 3:9-4:12). We should never empower, encourage or reward gossip. Gossiping new believers need to be confronted with great patience and carefully taught how to practice Matthew 18, Ephesians 4, Galatians 6, etc. Hardly anyone learns to not gossip just by hearing about it in a sermon; almost everyone needs to be confronted on this and “steered in the right direction” before they actually begin handling their conflicts in God’s way (“Speak to, not about” Amy Carmichael). Older believers need to be confronted more firmly, as they certainly know better. Some churches are full of people who know better but keep handling their conflicts in worldly ways because for decades, their leaders have allowed them to do so. Some divisive individuals need their “mouths stopped” (Titus 1:11). Some people are what Kenneth Haugk (in his book, “Antagonists In The Church”) refers to as “antagonists.” As Groucho Marx sang, “whatever it is” they’re “against it.” The psychological world might label them persons with personality disorders. Whatever they are, these people must be stood up to with great grace and great strength. They must not be empowered.

9. In listening to our critics and even in confronting gossips, we must be ready to forgive freely, sometimes “settling for” improved behavior, even when we’d like to hear a thorough-going apology (Ephesians 4:32).

10. In listening to our critics and even in confronting the worst gossip, we must be willing to listen for the “kernel of truth” that is probably there. God uses even our carnal critics to change our lives and ministries.

11. Congregational meetings during times of conflict should be held only with great care and careful planning. There is strength in numbers. Allowing people who are behaving badly to “gang up on” a pastor or church leadership team in a congregational meeting is to court disaster. Allowing people to sin by continuing on in their gossip or by “making charges” in congregational meetings is not doing them any favor; we are only enabling them to sin and throw away their future rewards. We must not in any way reward people who have been talking with each other, signing petitions or holding secret meetings. The church is not a democracy and we are not holding “New England Yankee” town hall meetings. (I am not against “listening session,” information gathering meetings which do not reward gossip.) Many wise pastors are moving their churches in the direction of having “family gatherings” with church members placed at round tables with elders or other leaders spread out among the tables. People are allowed to share their opinions freely on important topics as leaders listen to them carefully, but are in the “friendly” context of a table of brothers and sisters they have just dined and laughed with instead of in the confrontive atmosphere of a church business meeting with people lined up in rows and Robert’s Rules of Order. (I ask churches where we ever got the idea that the church “business meeting” is a venue where it’s okay to ignore everything Scripture teaches about how we should speak to one another!)

12. Duly elected church leaders, by whatever title, should be respected and, generally speaking, followed, because of their office. Leaders who are inviting disrespect should be confronted in the spirit of Matthew 18, Ephesians 4 and Galatians 6. Charges against elders (and pastors are “elders who are paid to be old”) should be brought in accordance with I Timothy 5:17-22, which assumes that the instructions of Matthew 18 have been followed first (I Thessalonians 5:12ff; Hebrews 13:7-19).

13. Church leaders must stand together. The NT picture is that of elders functioning as united teams (Acts 20:17ff). Elders who cannot stand with their brothers and stand by decisions they themselves were a part of making should resign gracefully. Every church board on the planet should study “The Unity Factor,” by Larry Osborne and “High Impact Church Boards” by Tim Addington.

14. Symbiotic (helpful to all concerned) solutions should always be prayerfully sought. Acts 6 gives us a wonderful example. There was murmuring. The murmuring probably wasn’t right (God dealt with this quite severely in OT times and in the New Testament gave us the admonition of Philippians 2:14ff.) But since, in this case, there was a very legitimate complaint – widows being neglected - the Apostles did not pay much attention to the murmuring, they went to work on a solution which resulted in a better church. Did they ever address the murmuring? Perhaps. We don’t know.

15. Leaders should always lead as servant-leaders of their congregations. We must make our decisions on the basis of what will be best for our followers. (What is best for our followers is that which glorifies God.) Congregations need leaders who have strong mandates to lead from their congregations. Chaos and confusion result when leaders do not have the “coupons” they need to lead. Sometimes we pastors must pack our books and move on, in love, so that we can get fresh starts and so that our congregations can get fresh starts with leaders who have the ability to lead, even though we were blameless.

16. With our propensity to sin and deceive ourselves (Jeremiah 17:9), all of us, pastors included, sometimes need rebuke and correction from those who are able to view our situations with a degree of objectivity which we do not have. One of the best reasons to have church fellowships (or denominations) is to provide pastors with a measure of accountability. All of us have reacted sinfully to our critics at one time or another.

Gaining Restoration Authority

Where do strategic (or “restoration” or “redevelopment”) interim pastors get the authority to change so much so fast in the churches they lead?

A church-health expert once told me that “all an interim pastor can do is to give a church a good slap in the face.” As one who has been doing interim pastoring for several years now I’m so glad this isn’t true! Frankly, I’m amazed at how much God has changed the three interim congregations I’ve served. I’ve given some thought to the question above and here’s what I’ve come up with so far:

1. Pray desperately. I don’t want to slap churches; I want to be used by God to change churches significantly for His glory. While I do believe that interim pastors have some ability to change organizational dysfunction through their own interventions, lasting change that honors God comes from the Spirit of God (John 15:5; Zechariah 4:6). If this is true (and it is), then the most important thing I can do is to pray. Seriously. Desperately. Comprehensively – which means – for every sermon and class of course, but also for every church member, every meeting, every encounter. I’ve come to believe that it’s the kind of prayer that takes hours, not moments, that moves God to transform churches. The battle is not ours, it’s the Lord’s (I Samuel 17:47). To the degree that I really believe that, to the same degree I will pray.

2. Tell the truth. All Bible-believing pastors are “about” change, of course. It’s the business we’re in. Many long-term pastors believe in introducing significant church change incrementally and that’s fine for them. Transitional or transformational interim pastors however, don’t have the luxury of having years to change things. The churches we are leading are sinking ships, dying patients, crumbling facades. We have to move fast. We are more like emergency room physicians – for whom bedside manner is not much of a concern – than family doctors. I believe in telling congregations the truth before they vote on us. They can take it and they’ll respect you for it. I explain what interim pastors like me do, tell some stories of our previous adventures and then challenge them to commit themselves and their churches to God, unequivocally. “Leave your guns at the city limits (like the Earp brothers in Tombstone), leave your swords at the door, lay aside your idols and put your church on the operating room table with a willingness for God to change it in any way that He wants to.” Most people who are truly God’s people know that this is the right thing to do and will respond well. Tell them the truth.

3. Be approachable. Most of us are kind of scary to most lay people, at least at first. If we have to walk in the door calling people to repentance for their gossip and disunity – and we must sometimes do this – we can be very scary. We can mitigate this by being physically small – ‘works for me but it might not work for you – and by being as warm as possible, loving kids, dogs, cats, goldfish, home cooking and especially, by listening.

Listening is a wonderful gift which we can give to our church members liberally. It costs us in time, but that’s all. Everybody loves to be listened to, so start listening a lot, right away, before you even arrive on the scene. People will love you for it. I have the blessing of having a wife who is a better listener than I am. She more than doubles my listening power and greatly increases my “leadership coupons” (I’ve also heard these called “pastor points”). Listen to the people who you know you’re going to disagree with. Try to hear their hearts. What are they afraid of? How can I reassure them? Remember that in some cases, they’re not expecting you to agree with them, they just want to be heard.

4. Forgive liberally. When you start changing things people are going to take some “whacks” at you. People are going to gossip about you. Some will say some tacky things in classes or meetings you’re leading. While many behaviors should be lovingly confronted by the interim pastor – especially if they represent patterns of behavior - other things should be simply covered over with love (I Peter 4:8). Pray for the wisdom to know when to confront and forgive and when to simply forgive. If you forgive liberally – and we all have the ability in Christ to do this - some of your strongest and most affectionate supporters at the end of your interim will be people who treated you disrespectfully at the beginning.

5. Work hard. Get your hands dirty. We all know that we should “give ourselves to the ministry of the Word and prayer” like the Apostles in Acts 6:2-4, but sometimes we have to violate that a bit by shoveling snow, moving walls (with permission), pulling weeds, tarring roofs, etc. Most of the best people in your church are hard working people; make sure they know that you’re a hard working person too. The worst thing you can do is to come across like a dressed-up, professional technician – and yes, I’ve seen this. You are “messing with” what they consider to be their church. (Of course we all know that it’s really Jesus’ church, but it’s still their church more than it’s your church and you’d better let them know that you know this.)

6. Show up. Be fun. Okay, maybe you’re like me - not much fun – but you can try anyway, while making fun of yourself for not being much fun. People will give you credit for trying. Attend the parties you’re invited to. Attend the soccer games, wrestling matches, concerts and whatever else you’re invited to. This is such a simple thing, but it means so much to people. Woody Allen said that “50% of success in life is just showing up.” He was right. Show up.

7. Learn names. Everybody loves to hear their own name used...everybody. A few people I know are really good with names. Unfortunately, I’m not one of them. I have to work at it. When I meet a visitor at church I’ll not only repeat his/her name out loud, but after walking away, right it down as quickly as possible. We start every interim pastorate with visiting and getting to know as many people in the church as are willing to get together with us. We ask them twenty questions (literally) and hear their life stories. Most people love it. If people don’t want us in their homes, we try to meet them at restaurants. Very few people don’t want this attention. At my next assignment I’m going to carry a digital camera and take photos of family groups on every one of these visits. As soon as I get home, I’ll print the photos and try to get the right names written on the right people, dogs, cats – whoever ended up in the photo.

8. Move to the area. I know that many interim pastors live in a metro area and do a lot of driving to a succession of interim pastorates. I know that they do effective work in this way, but we believe that our work is a little more effective because we move, “lock, stock and barrel” to every community where we interim. We waste no time in learning the history and distinctives of the area. We often know more about the area (within a few months) than the natives who have lived there for decades. This is going to be hard for some of you to hear but we even believe in “cheering for the home team” as much as possible. After fifty years in Wisconsin, I cheered for Arizona teams while in Arizona (even the Cardinals!) and Minnesota teams while in Minnesota. (There are limits to this of course, such as when the Vikings play the Packers.) For the most part though, you will increase your ability to affect change if you will totally move to the area. And, by the way, I’m sure the author of I Corinthians 9:19-23 would recommend this.

9. Choose your battlegrounds. This is also called “choosing the hill you’re going to die on” and it’s oh-so-important for the interim pastor. There are serious problems in the churches we pastor which must be met head-on. These things affect the effectiveness of the church and thus, the glory of God. There are other things which we simply don’t like. Especially as interims, we have no business making issues out of things which are simply not “our style.” Maybe they call the communion table an “alter” and insist on having a pot-luck dinner on the last Sunday of every month. Maybe their music isn’t exactly our cup of tea. Do these things really matter?

I recently had an elder board ask me about my music style. My answer was that “my” music style was irrelevant. The church should be like Paul in I Corinthians 9 and adapt itself in its music to reach the people in its mission field. The pastor – interim or long-term - should adapt himself to fit the church which has adapted itself to reach its community. I can play my style of music at home, all I want.

10. Praise exorbitantly. Somebody said that “nobody ever died from an overdose of encouragement.” The churches we interim pastor are troubled and generally have many faults. They also are not without their strengths. Almost every church has at least some really fine people doing some really fine ministry for all the right reasons. Praise and encourage these people liberally. You will empower them and they, in turn, will empower you. At one of the churches we interimed we discovered a staff member (I’m withholding details to protect the guilty) with an extraordinarily good ministry. It came as a shock to learn that the former senior pastor hadn’t encouraged this brother for years. All it took was some praise and encouragement to see him take his ministry to a whole new level and I was rewarded with his support and cooperation.

11. Ooze faith. I’m not sure if it’s because I (1) have the gift of faith, (2) have walked with God as long as I have, (3) am silly enough to believe the Bible, or (4) all of the above, but I find it pretty easy to walk into some pretty damaged churches with complete faith that God is willing and able to transform them into vibrant, joyful, effective ministries. In each church I’ve served I’ve had people ask me, in great pain, “Do you think our church is going to survive?” I answer that, “If some of you are willing to give it completely to God, it will not only survive, it will thrive.” If you can’t do this you probably shouldn’t be a strategic, transformational interim pastor. If you’re pretty sure that you can do this then you might be able to gain “restoration authority” and be a candidate for this intensely difficult but richly rewarding ministry.

Letter To a Hurting Church

The following is a letter (with names removed) I sent to a church which was on the brink of splitting in two. I’m sorry to say that I think the letter probably has application to many other situations. I wrote it – and am placing it here – in hopes that God will use it to influence some of His people for good. BAT

To my dear friends at ________ Church,

Words can’t express how greatly you encouraged my heart as I kept hearing that God was working so powerfully at __________. I’ve been learning a lot about how the Apostle Paul felt: you are “my joy and crown” (Philippians 4:1). Neither can words express how heartbreaking it has been to hear about the division and strife that has occurred more recently. The following are mostly thoughts that occurred to me while talking to _______ ________ last night. You may do what you want with them of course; I’m no apostle, but Donna and I love you and I think that gives us some credibility.

The first and most important thing I have to say to all is, please, please, please understand that this is not a contest between people; this is primarily a contest between God and Satan and I do not mean to imply that some of you are on God’s side and some on Satan’s side! I mean that you caused our enemy (your brother is NOT your enemy; the devil is) great consternation while the church was going “great guns.” Do not be ignorant of his devices; his best methodology is to simply use the flesh of Christians (our sin-powered humanity) to destroy our absolutely essential unity. Galatians 5:15 says “If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.” As Donna says, when the same old tactic works so well year after year, why should the devil come up with anything new?

It sounds like unity at the board level is what was sacrificed first and that was a mistake. A great pastor, Larry Osborne, wrote a book on the subject called “The Unity Factor.” At some point in your healing process, study it carefully. There’s no getting around the necessity of a unified board/pastor leadership team.

I don’t pretend to know or understand all that’s gone on in your fellowship in the past few months. I’m confident that none of you do either; there are at least three sides to every story, yours, mine and God’s; the essential matter is what you do now.

My understanding is that Pastor _______ has resigned. Now you’re going to be tempted to be embittered with each other. Don’t fall for it. Forgiveness is absolutely essential and it must be given even to those who never apologize for what we see as their sins. Our value differences cause us to see things differently and to sometimes view our brother as sinning when he or she is absolutely confident that he is doing the right thing. This even occurs in our marriages because of the different FOO (family of origin) cultures we’ve come from. What Donna considers sin I consider acceptable and normal and we’ll never completely see every issue eye-to-eye. Some of you have a very strong loyalty ethic and believed that you should stand by Pastor _______ no matter what. Others among you have very high standards regarding a pastor’s loyalty to a church constitution. It may be that you will never, until reaching heaven, agree on this. Better yet, put your good values together and go forward into the future with an absolute commitment to maintain a tight, tight unity at the leadership level, to deal with your differences in godly ways and to have a “rule book” (constitution) that all agree to follow. In any case, the crucial matter right now is what you do right now.

Right now, tonight, you need to start forgiving one another and moving in the direction of reconciliation. (It will take time to feel good about each other.) You can beat the devil at his own game if you will start forgiving now. You are handing him a victory on a silver platter if you don’t. This is not about your “rightness;” this is about God’s glory. God will be glorified, His reputation enhanced, His power displayed, if you reconcile and become a stronger, holier church. You will give Christ “a black eye” if you don’t.

Right now, tonight, you will need to resolve to not make the situation worse with blaming and name calling. “Getting it out” is a worldly concept, not a biblical one. Anger expressed without restraint does not “spend” the anger and lead to peace; it leads to hotter, more deadly anger. You might want to read Ephesians 4 together, very slowly. If you must meet tonight, make your comments from the floor addressed to the “chair” and do not allow any angry outbursts by anybody, period.

You will need to resist the temptation to think with your hearts. Hearts are for feeling; heads are for thinking. Do not try to fix your problem by latching unto someone nearby who seems like “pastor material.” Of course you need someone to come and preach and teach on Sundays for awhile, and God will greatly bless you through these speakers, but they will not be a substitute for the “native guide” which you will need for a few months. You need more than a godly man; you need a trained and experienced man who knows how to lead a church through a process of reconciliation. I shared with ________ the name of an organization which might be able to provide some wonderful, short-term help with reconciliation. I also shared with her that I have names and phone numbers for three organizations which supply trained and experienced, peacemaking, interim pastors to churches. This is what you’re going to need now (and I don’t mean me! We have our hands full here in __________). In time, you will need to oh-so-carefully call a new long-term pastor. In the meantime, your best chance for healing is going to be with the help of someone who has been gifted by God for just such a time as this.

We love you all and will be praying for you tonight and in the weeks to come.

For HIS Glory,
Brian Thorstad

Putting Two Dollar Plants In Ten Dollar Holes

Or, “How an intentional interim pastor can help your pastor-less church prepare for its future.”

Like Moses before him, Episcopal Bishop, Loren Mead received some of the best advice he ever heard from his father-in-law, a skilled and experienced gardener: “It’s better to put a two dollar plant in a ten dollar hole than a ten dollar plant in a two dollar hole.” The father-in-law’s counsel would go on to become foundational to the son-in-law’s extensive thinking and writing on the subject of intentional interim pastoring. Mead would later write that:

“Anything you do requires a lot of hard preparation if it’s going to grow. It’s got to have lots of room for the roots to spread out and get sustenance. That doesn’t happen if you just stick it in the ground. An awful lot of people in churches keep buying ten dollar plants and shoving them into two dollar holes, wondering why they don’t flourish and blossom…” 1

Before we venture further into our “plants and holes” allegory, let me ask you this: When you’ve recovered from the initial shock of hearing that your pastor is moving on, what do you most want for your church’s future? If your desire is that it “flourish and blossom,” not just survive, then read on.

Types of Interim Pastoring

At one time there were only two types of interim pastoring – or, at least only two types had been identified and labeled. There was intentional interim pastoring, wherein the pastor lets it be known that he is not a candidate for the long-term pastorate of the church, and trial interim pastoring, wherein the pastor is not so sure about the church, the church is not so sure about the pastor, or both; kind of like a trial marriage. (I’ve never actually heard a term used for this so “trial” will have to do for now.)

Intentional interim pastors were usually retired or semi-retired men who did churches a great service by bringing stability, continuity in the pulpit and the gentle touch of a seasoned care-giver to congregations in transition between long-term pastors, often on a part-time basis. I call this traditional or maintenance model interim pastoring.

During the 1970’s and 80’s however, Loren Mead and other mainline denominational pastors began refining traditional or maintenance model interim pastoring into something more vigorous: transitional interim pastoring. Transitional interim pastors do all the good things described above and a whole lot more. In truth, I strongly suspect that many interim pastors were instinctively seeking to engage churches in some of the tasks described below, but had never put a name on it. In any case, Loren Mead did “put a name on it” when he identified five developmental tasks the interim pastor seeks to take the interim congregation through. (The tasks are not to be confused with the stages that the congregation will invariably pass through on its journey from one long-term pastorate to the next.) In this model, “success” is when a healthy percentage of the congregation embraces the challenge set before them and participates in working through the tasks, in such a way as to result in a congregation which is ready to experience vibrant health under the leadership of its new, long-term pastor. Here are the tasks and a very brief description of each:

• Coming to terms with our history – The church uses a “journey wall” or other means to face its own history. Does it have a pattern of short pastorates? Are multiple pastors fired or asked to leave? Did several pastors leave in disgust or despair?

• Re-discovering our true identity – How old are we? What kind of church are we? What are our strengths and weaknesses?

• Allowing for leadership changes – The interim pastor can help the church to allow some leaders to step back and new ones to “step up” with as little trauma as possible.

• Re-thinking our denominational affiliation – Would we have been better off if we had gotten more help from our denomination as the former pastor’s ministry was drawing to a close? Are we taking advantage of the help that we could be receiving from our denominational leaders?

• Re-committing ourselves to future ministry – Towards the end of the interim pastorate the interim pastor challenges the church members to get wholeheartedly, “on the bus,” to commit themselves to being part of a “ministry dream team” that is ready to welcome the new long-term pastor and the good future that God has for the church.

On the far end of an intentional interim pastoring continuum (which would have traditional interim pastoring at one end and transitional interim pastoring in the middle) there exists a third development which I call transformational interim pastoring.

The difference between transitional and transformational interim pastoring is one of degree; it is a quantitative rather than a qualitative difference. The transformational interim pastor takes churches through the same five tasks mentioned above but the process is more thorough-going, more intense and results in a more fully renewed congregation. Transformational interim pastors boldly challenge Christians to present themselves and their churches to God, to put, as it were, their church on the operating room table and invite God to be the surgeon. Because the process is more thorough than in the transitional interim, those who specialize in transformational ministries sometimes lengthen the five tasks to seven (Titus Ministries) or even nine (yours truly). If a transitional interim redevelopment process takes about a year, a transformational version of the process takes about two years - unless the interim pastor and the congregation are prepared to work themselves nearly to death (which I've done but don't recommend).

While not every church in transition between long-term pastors needs a transformational interim pastorate, many, if not most, are candidates for and greatly helped by at least going through a transitional interim process. Obviously, the willingness of the congregation to experience a great deal of change in a short time is vital if there’s any hope for a true redevelopment process to succeed. I always wish that I could get more people in churches which need interim pastors to talk to more people in churches which have had interim pastors. While many folks in churches in need of interims are skeptical or confused about the concept, most Christians in churches which have been through it understand the process and are enthusiastic about how God used it to change their churches, and in many cases, themselves.

Let’s think about it:

Are you a pastor whom God might be leading into the adventure of interim pastoring? If so, what “level” of intentional interim pastoring do you think God has equipped you to do? (David Miles'wonderful three-ring binder resource – “ReTURN: Restoring Churches To The Heart Of God” - includes an inventory to help you answer this. See our Resource page.)

Are you a church member with a church that needs a transitional or transformational interim process? Are you willing to “put your church on God’s operating room table? Are you skeptical or confused but willing to talk to someone in a church who has been through a redevelopment process?

Are you a pastor who needs to move on so someone else can take your church through a renewal process? (Sometimes the strongest leadership move we can make in our congregation is to move on!)

Resources For Redevelopment or Strategic Interim Pastors

Note: You may need to read my article on “Types of Interim Pastors” to understand the terminology I use below. BAT

"Who Stole My Church" by Gordon MacDonald, Thomas Nelson Publishers. MacDonald has given us a fictional account of a pastor working issues relatated to change with a group of Christians in their 50's and over, folks who feel that a younger generation or two has stolen their church. The book should be helpful for pastors as well as frustrated older saints. I hope to get the chance to use this book with a small group or two.

Alban Institute – Find them at www.alban.org. Mainline denomination based, but a source for some great books, etc. Most will take the transitional approach.

Interim Pastor Ministries (IPM) – Is offering periodic live training events. Previously a trictly “maintenance model,” non-denominational, evangelical, interim pastoring organization, IPM is now encouraging its men to engage churches in a redevelopment process. The best (and unique) aspect of their training sessions (from what I’ve experienced) are the IPM veterans who attend and share some of their best insights. www.interimpastors.org or 1-800-501-7117 or aconrad105@mchsi.com

Interim Ministry Network – Mainline denomination-based, IMN offers printed resources, training (expensive) and a network of interim pastors to belong to. www.interimministry.org or 1-800-235-8414 or jenny@interimministry.org

“The Ten Leading Indicators of a Healthy Church” workbook and implementation guide from the Evangelical Free Church of America (EFCA). Inspired by the work of Christian Schwarz, the “ten indicators” are the EFCA’s adaptation of this approach to their own denominational values. The implementation guide includes an inventory which the EFCA says should be done by 31 persons. The workbook is a comprehensive manual by EFCA Church Health Director, Jim Fann, which incorporates much of the work done by church health writers over the past decades. I have done my own Bible studies based on the ten indicators numerous times and even added “a few more indicators of a healthy church.” Find the EFCA booksource, NextStep Resources, online at www.EFCA.org.

Natural Church Development (NCD) materials from Christian Schwarz, available from ChurchSmart Resources (below). Schwarz’ well known claim is that a church will grow when all seven quality characteristics are brought up to a minimal level of effectiveness. Whether or not you totally buy into Schwarz’ theory, his materials and inventories have proved invaluable for bringing some objectivity to a leader’s perception of a church’s ill-health.

Titus Ministries – A non-denominational, evangelical interim organization which takes a no-holds-barred transformational approach. The basic training (excellent) is open to all. Titus interims work a seven-step process in every church. Churches “hand themselves over” to the Titus ministry as part of the contract. The Titus interim works as a near-dictator in the church, under the authority of the Titus leadership. The Titus approach is a hard-sell for many churches and denominational leaders but the success rate for those who will embrace their approach is impressive. www.titus-ministries.org or Renewal@titus-ministries.org or 928-710-4864

Church Resource Ministries is now the source for the “Refocusing Your Church” manual by Terry Walling. This is the best resource I know of for working through the strategic planning (I call it “getting focused”) process. Find them at www.crmresources.org or 1-800-777-6658.

On the overall work of redevelopment or strategic interim pastoring, no resource that I’ve seen compares with the “ReTURN, Restoring Churches To The Heart of God” manual by David Miles. Miles seems to have a better grasp on interim pastoring than anyone I’ve heard of. Miles’ manual is on my short list of resources to invest in. Find them at www.Churchsmart.com or 1-800-253-4276 or customerservice@churchsmart.com. (ChurchSmart also offers many other interesting looking resources!)

David Miles also supplies churches with interim pastors under the umbrella of Church Resource Ministries. You will find them at crmreturn.org or restoring churches.org.

Peacemaker Ministries – I bet you’ve heard of them. Their materials on conflict and peacemaking are the best. Buy their books and go to their “Conflict Coaching” and “Mediation” training sessions. They also have a training session called “Intervening in Church Conflict” which I haven’t been able to attend. Everything they have to teach is worth learning. Find them at www.peacemaker.net.

“Leading Turnaround Churches” by Gene Wood. Wood considers himself to be a “turnaround pastor” who takes about a decade to transform churches, but it’s a really helpful book for interim’s nevertheless.

Aubrey Malphurs. Malphurs has a wonderful grasp of the strategic planning process. I’ve read his “Advanced Strategic Planning” and his book on vision (packed up and I don’t remember the exact title) and have yet to read his “Values-Driven Leadership.” What I’ve read so far has been excellent. He is a Dallas Seminary professor and also has a consulting ministry you may reach at www.malphursgroup.com.

“Emotionally Healthy Churches” by Peter Scazzaro is worth the price of the volume for the story about bridge jumpers and rope holders in the chapter on “Accepting Your Limitations.”

“The Unity Factor” by Larry Osborne is a wonderful book on the power of truly united church boards. I have used this wonderful book for training and re-training church boards with great success. A natural follow-up study is “High Impact Church Boards” by Tim Addington. Addington’s book, for me, is a priceless tool; the kind I’d give my right arm for. Addington argues for streamlined, simple church structures where trust replaces the mistrust and “separation of powers” so common in older, congregational churches. He also makes a strong case for requiring that all church board members have, to some degree, the gift of leadership, so they dare to make bold decisions along with their fellow leaders.

The Center For Congregational Health is a ministry of the Southern Baptist Convention of North Carolina. They have a great web site at www.healthychurch.org. For training for interim pastoring - and I haven't attended but have been told that it's good - click on "Services," then "Interim Ministry," then on "Interim Ministry For Today's Church."